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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 27, 2009 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The cymbals test ......

Bonjour mes amis et mes trolles,

in an earlier chain of posts, someone (can't remember who but "good call") suggested that the cymbals test was a good way of discriminating between shows recorded (wrong word but you know what I mean) in mp3 as opposed to those recorded in either flac or shn sourced 'wav' files. By that I mean, with 'wav' recordings you hear loads of cymbals, with mp3 you hear hardly any. Kinda makes you feel for that guy with the 500+ mp3 shows!

Well, as much as I like to agree, the other day I checked-out the mp3 version of the Bertha re-mix of the 1975 Lindley Park, Golden Gate Park show:-

Why? Well, I wanted a flac/wav or a shn/wav version but couldn't find one so I took what I could get for now until I can get hold of one of the 'fuller' versions.

Well(2), this mp3 passes the cymbals test with loads of shimmers, clangs and generally-cymbally sounding sounds to spare.

Don't know why - maybe the Bertha re-mix has something to do with it, but this one is a great recording of a pretty good show (understatement) to say the least. And the drummers actually play 'against' each other (wrong word but you know what I mean) instead of sounding like they're bound hand & foot - Billy's hand to Mickey's hand; Billy's foot to Mickey's foot.

Now I've seen some reviews of Bertha re-mixes that aren't exactly complimentary but this one is a good one - thanks for your efforts Mr Ashley. Almost enough to make you throw your 'Barton' show away - if you've got one!

Just a thought (IMHO of course).

Here's another:

"If you can catch fish, women are easy" - true or false Cliff?

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Poster: elkdog Date: Aug 28, 2009 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The cymbals test ......

I think a decent mp3 will work fine in most cases. The deal with the cymbals is that an mp3 doesn't convey the same detail as a .wav, so the decay (the sound after the initial strike, or attack) on the cymbal often isn't as rich, and can sound tinny or thin.

I've found that the .vbr mp3's you can download off of the archive really sound good to my ears. I don't burn them to CD, but through headphones, my car stereo, or my office speakers (all three of these are good, but not high-end), they sound great. I've got a pretty decent system in my living room, and I can notice a difference there if I try, but it's not glaring.

Don't let people tell you how to listen to music. If it sounds good it is good. I don't trade or otherwise circulate mp3's (unless someone wants them specifically), so I don't know why someone would care that I listen to them.

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Poster: pigpen_81 Date: Aug 28, 2009 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The cymbals test ......

Yo TW, If you are on Lossless Legs it is now seeding there..

Grateful Dead 9-28-1975 (Discs: CDA-2/SHN-2)
Lindley Meadows (Golden Gate Park) San Francisco CA

Bertha Remaster of the master reel source.

SBD>>MR>>DAT>>CDA>>WAV(EAC)>>SHN>>DAW(Bertha)>>CDA/SHN - Sound A

d1t01-Help On The Way >>
d1t03-The Music Never Stopped
d1t04-They Love Each Other
d1t06-Beat It On Down The Line
d1t07-Franklin's Tower
d1t08-Big River
d1t09-It Must Have Been The Roses
d2t01-Truckin' >>
d2t02-Jam >>
d2t03-Drums >>
d2t04-Stronger Than Dirt Or Milkin' The Turkey >>
d2t05-Not Fade Away >>
d2t06-Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad >>
d2t07-One More Saturday Night

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 28, 2009 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The cymbals test ......

Thanks 'Pig'.

I looked the other day and it was running so slowwwww (just one v.slow seed), which is why I went for the MP3 version. I'll have another go.

Either way, great show and great (cymbally) sound.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 27, 2009 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The cymbals test ......

I'm not going to comment on the theory regarding cymbals, but the hypothesis certainly seems worthy of consideration.

And in spite of a productive fishing season this summer, I have to agree that its quite a bit easyer hooking up with the opposite sex. That based on the insatiable D-cup divorcee currently wearing me out between canyon trips...


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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 29, 2009 4:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The cymbals test ......

"the only babes this guy gets are hookers....get it?"

at least it wasn't the dynamite joke - if I had a pound (1.635 dollars) for every time I'd heard that one, I'd be a rich man ........